Readers Question / Comment - When did Satan fall? Where does evil come from and is there a future fall still to happen?

Hi Iain,

Iíve gotten a little mixed-up and was hoping you could help.

I know we battle against supernatural evil, but where does this evil come from? I believe that when Jesus speaks of seeing satan fall, He was speaking prophetically about Revelations and satans (and 1/3 of angels) expulsion before the great tribulation. So how is satan and his followers here now, causing us grief? Are the angels that eventually get expelled the ones here on Earth waging spiritual warfare against us? Are they expelled/stuck here now? If so, why isnít satan also expelled/ stuck here with them? Or is it a future event that the angels decide to follow satan, and are then expelled with him at that time (Rev 12)? And maybe the demons that are here now are not fallen angels. What would they be? Are they from the Nephilim?

When satan accuses us before the throne of God, is he alone in this? Is that 1/3 of angels with him accusing us? And do they all have access to Godís throne, and the earth? I know that Jesus and the apostles expelled evil spirits/demons, but who were these evil spirits and demons? Where did they come from?

My pastor thinks Revelations already happened, along with satans expulsion. I donít feel thatís right, I believe he fell but was not expelled yet. But Iím having trouble collecting my thoughts on this subject, and there are several seemingly reputable sources that differ in opinions. I really value your opinion, and would like to know your thoughts.

Sorry if this is one rambling question(s), but my head is swimming right now and I would love to see some solid scripture pointing me back on track.

Thanks so much for your time!


Eric


JPN Reply:

Hi Eric,

hope things are going well for you. Now you are pondering a few different mysteries there and you obviously have quite a few questions.

I'll answer them quickly as I see it and also link more information that will help with the general theme you are thinking about. It is a big topic and hard to answer quickly in an email... but the links are from Arnold Fructenbaum and are very good on this topic.

The short version is this - Satan's fall occurred before the creation of man. It seems that one third of the angels followed him. His fall is spoken about in Isaiah 14 and Ezek 28. At the moment he is said to be roaring like a lion around the earth as well as still having temporary access to heaven to accuse believers (Job 1-2, Zech 3, 1 Peter 5:8). Rev 12 gives a vision of the future where a final war will evict Satan once and for all from all heavenly access. He then knows his time is short and goes about destroying on the earth with great fury. This is likely to be at the start or mid point of the coming tribulation. Most would say mid-point due to the context with Israel (the woman) fleeing for safety. The fallen angels and demons are those that followed him in his initial fall before the creation of man. Some take them to be different entities but if so it isn't clear from scripture. Some believe as you have said that the 'demons' where actually the spirits of the Nephilim after they were killed... it is a possibility but scripture doesn't specifically say so. I tend to see it as Arnold does and not make any differentiation between fallen angels and demons.

Have a look at the following links - especially the 6 abodes of Satan in the doctrine of Satan study (page 20)

Satanology - the doctrine of Satan

http://www.arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs077m.pdf

Demonology - the doctrine of fallen angels

http://www.arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs082m.pdf

Hope this helps!

iain.

Readers Reply:

Hi Iain,
Thanks for the reply, attachments, and clarity. I donít know what the problem was, but I seemed to overthink myself into a fog on this subject. I just could not organize my thoughts and see all this clearly. Sometimes I need to step back and see the facts short, sweet, and concise on paper. I seem to remember you referencing Arnold Fruchtenbaum in the footnotes of one (or more) of your studies. Or maybe Iím mixing up memories. Either way, the pdfís are a humongous help!

Thanks for taking your time to share your knowledge, It is much appreciated!
Eric
JPN Reply:

Great! Pleased it has helped. I think you'll find Arnold's stuff will answer your questions and more. And yeah, I've quoted Arnold a bit in my studies. He is very sound and has some really onto it books and resources, especially around end times / Messianic studies.

God Bless,

Iain.