Iíve gotten a little
mixed-up and was hoping you could help.
I know we battle
against supernatural evil, but where does this evil come from? I
believe that when Jesus speaks of seeing satan fall, He was speaking
prophetically about Revelations and satans (and 1/3 of angels)
expulsion before the great tribulation. So how is satan and his
followers here now, causing us grief? Are the angels that eventually
get expelled the ones here on Earth waging spiritual warfare against
us? Are they expelled/stuck here now? If so, why isnít satan also
expelled/ stuck here with them? Or is it a future event that the
angels decide to follow satan, and are then expelled with him at
that time (Rev 12)? And maybe the demons that are here now are not
fallen angels. What would they be? Are they from the Nephilim?
When satan accuses us before the throne of God, is he alone in
this? Is that 1/3 of angels with him accusing us? And do they all
have access to Godís throne, and the earth? I know that Jesus and
the apostles expelled evil spirits/demons, but who were these evil
spirits and demons? Where did they come from?
thinks Revelations already happened, along with satans expulsion. I
donít feel thatís right, I believe he fell but was not expelled yet.
But Iím having trouble collecting my thoughts on this subject, and
there are several seemingly reputable sources that differ in
opinions. I really value your opinion, and would like to know your
Sorry if this is one rambling question(s), but my
head is swimming right now and I would love to see some solid
scripture pointing me back on track.
Thanks so much for your
hope things are going well for you. Now you are
pondering a few different mysteries there and you obviously have quite
a few questions.
I'll answer them quickly as I see it and also
link more information that will help with the general theme you are
thinking about. It is a big topic and hard to answer quickly in an
email... but the links are from Arnold Fructenbaum and are very good
on this topic.
The short version is this - Satan's fall
occurred before the creation of man. It seems that one third of the
angels followed him. His fall is spoken about in Isaiah 14 and Ezek
28. At the moment he is said to be roaring like a lion around the
earth as well as still having temporary access to heaven to accuse
believers (Job 1-2, Zech 3, 1 Peter 5:8). Rev 12 gives a vision of the
future where a final war will evict Satan once and for all from all
heavenly access. He then knows his time is short and goes about
destroying on the earth with great fury. This is likely to be at the
start or mid point of the coming tribulation. Most would say mid-point
due to the context with Israel (the woman) fleeing for safety. The
fallen angels and demons are those that followed him in his initial
fall before the creation of man. Some take them to be different
entities but if so it isn't clear from scripture. Some believe as you
have said that the 'demons' where actually the spirits of the Nephilim
after they were killed... it is a possibility but scripture doesn't
specifically say so. I tend to see it as Arnold does and not make any
differentiation between fallen angels and demons.
Have a look
at the following links - especially the 6 abodes of Satan in the
doctrine of Satan study (page 20)
Satanology - the doctrine of Satan
Demonology - the doctrine of fallen angels
Hope this helps!
Thanks for the reply,
attachments, and clarity. I donít know what the problem was, but I
seemed to overthink myself into a fog on this subject. I just could
not organize my thoughts and see all this clearly. Sometimes I need to
step back and see the facts short, sweet, and concise on paper. I seem
to remember you referencing Arnold Fruchtenbaum in the footnotes of
one (or more) of your studies. Or maybe Iím mixing up memories. Either
way, the pdfís are a humongous help!
Thanks for taking your
time to share your knowledge, It is much appreciated!