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Hi,
I watched the Zeitgeist video you mentioned. As I watched I thought
surely this can't be true??? I had previously read about some of the
old myths but hadn't seen what this video was telling me. They're
all born of a virgin? 25th Dec? With 12 disciples? Crucified?
Resurrected after 3 days? Surely that can't be true I thought??? But
here was this flashy video telling me it was through it's quick
little bullet points.
So I had a look at their stories in an online encyclopedia which
seemed like an easy place to start. For example, you can look up
Krishna here -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna
The Zeitgeist video made this claim about Krishna:
Born 25th Dec,
To a virgin,
Crucified,
Resurrected.
Check out the encyclopedia, which is based on the
Mahabharata, the
Harivamsa, the
Bhagavata Purana and
the
Vishnu Purana. You
will find that Krishna was born 19th or 21st July 3328 BC (not 25th
Dec), he was the eighth son born to the princess Devaki and her
husband Vasudeva (being the eight son is no virgin birth!). He dies
by being shot in the foot by a hunter who mistook him for a deer
while he meditated under a tree. That's no crucifixion! As for the
resurrection, the Mahabharara Book 16,4 says that when the hunter
touched his foot he forgave the hunter and ascended upwards.
So far, what I have found about the video is a disgrace, put out as
an internet video to severely slant the truth to make one thing seem
like something totally different. But, as you asked me to research
it, I carried on and looked at Horus. The main points the movie said
about him were being crucified, dead for three days, resurrected. I
looked... Horus is never said to have been crucified or dead three
days that I can find. As for a resurrection, one site said:
"The only connection we can make to Horus being resurrected is if we
consider the eventual merger of Horus and Osiris. But such a theory
results in an catch 22, apparently noticed by the Egyptians as they
later altered their beliefs to fix the contradictions. In the
Egyptian tale, Osiris is either dismembered by Set in battle or
sealed in a chest and drowned in the Nile. Isis then pieces Osiris'
body back together and resurrects Osiris to conceive an heir that
will avenge Osiris' death (although
technically
Osiris is never actually resurrected as he is forbidden to return to
the world of the living)."
Others have gone further and also said Horus had a virgin birth, 12
disciples etc. Again, this is rubbish. Apparently most of these come
from a book called The Christ Conspiracy by Acharya S. Although she
just got her information from a man called Gerald Massey. The
following link has email correspondence between an ex-Atheist and
Acharya S where she states that her source is Gerald Massey and that
the information is not generally found in any encyclopedias!!! How
convenient!
http://kingdavid8.com/Letters/LetterJesusHorus.html
This ex-Atheist has been quite thorough and has a site that shows
the errors perpetuated by the copycat Christ-Mythers who don't go
back to original sources but just quote each other. At least he goes
back to the original source material. If you are interested, have a
look here:
http://kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html or
http://tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html
So I had a look at Attis who the video states was born 25 Dec, to a
virgin, crucified for three days and then resurrected. Here is the
story of Attis from Wikipedia:
"The story of his origins from
Agdistis, as told to the
traveller
Pausanias, have some
distinctly non-Greek elements: Pausanias was told that the daemon
Agdistis initially bore both male and female attributes. But the
Olympian gods, fearing
Agdistis, cut off the male organ and cast it away. There grew up
from it an almond-tree, and when its fruit was ripe,
Nana who was a daughter
of the river
Sangarios picked the
fruit and laid it in her bosom. It at once disappeared, but she was
with child. In time her son was born and exposed on the hillside,
but the infant was tended by a he-goat. As Attis grew, his
long-haired beauty was godlike, and Agdistis as Cybele, then fell in
love with him. But the foster parents of Attis sent him to Pessinos,
where he was to wed the king's daughter. According to some versions
the King of Pessinos was
Midas. Just as the
marriage-song was being sung, Agdistis/Cybele appeared in her
transcendent power, and Attis went mad and cut off his genitals.
Attis' father-in-law-to-be, the king who was giving his daughter in
marriage, followed suit, prefiguring the self-castrating
corybantes who devoted
themselves to Cybele. But Agdistis repented and saw to it that the
body of Attis should neither rot at all nor decay. (Pausanias,
Greece, 7.19) Attis was reborn as the evergreen pine."
Wow! That is so much like the story of Jesus it's spooky! Ok, I'll
try keep from lauging at all this. Apparently Attis' birth is
associated with the annual return of spring, not the 25th Dec
(although other mythilogical deities do use the 25th Dec but that
wasn't the date of Jesus' birth anyway). I haven't found anything
about the 25th Dec for Attis. And as one site says: "While Attis was
conceived non-sexually, no texts make the claim that Nana was a
virgin." As for his death, he wasn't crucified - He castriated
himself under a pine tree after going insane. His blood flows onto
the ground from his severed organ and brings forth a patch of
violets." How lovely! There is also no resurrection unless you
consider him becoming a pine tree after his death a resurrection!
As one site correctly said concerning the supposed Jesus - Attis
link: "The
only things we really see going on with poor Attis is a whole lot of
genitalia-mutilation, pine tree resurrections, and river descendants
bearing children from nuts... Nuts certainly comes to mind
regarding whoever put these two figures together.
It really it shocking that a video could be put out like this and
deceive so many who don't do their homework. Even you told me:
"Most Christians, however, choose to remain ignorant to these
facts and prefer not to accept information that might prove
everything they have known about their savior to be wrong. Although
some trivial facts in the movie turn out to be false ("horus is
risen" = horizon, Jesus being born 12/25, etc.) if you research, the
meat and potatoes are all true. Of course, you may write it off as
just some YouTube video, but I have looked up many of the facts and
they all hold true."
The meat and potatoes are all true??? Yeah right! You told me that
you believed in science and were not brain washed with fairy tales
like Christians and yet here you are saying that you have looked up
many of the facts of this video and they all hold true! Sure, they
do a nice video with eary music, and quick bullet points but the
content is rubbish! As someone who "believes in science and not
fairy tales" I would have expected some better research.
Have a look at the following site which at least does a good job of
providing links to the original source material so that people can
look this stuff up for themsleves. It goes into most of the
so-called links and has others not mentioned thus far like Mithra
etc:
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html
As for the second video you asked me to watch about the Bible links
to Astrology... Personally I found it laughable. Well, I would if
people weren't getting sucked it by it. Where shall I start? Well,
the video claims, through some secret knowledge they have, that
Moses was angry with the Israelites when he descended from the
mountain because he represented the new age of Aries the ram that
started in 2150 BC and here the Israelites were worshipping the old
age of the bull. That, my friend, really is bull! Here is what the
Bible says:
Exodus 32: 1,7-8 "When the people saw that Moses was so long in
coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said,
"Come, make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses
who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to
him."... 7 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go down, because
your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt.
8 They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded
them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf.
They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said,
‘These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.’
It's not complicated. Moses was angry because they had made an
idol from what they knew in their time in Eqypt which they were
saying was their god! How quickly they had deserted the true God and
broken his commandments! It is nothing to do with the age of Aries
or Taurus. Even the date is wrong. This event of the exodus was
approx 1400 BC. Not 2150 BC when the age of Aries was meant to have
come in..
As for Jesus feeding people with fish on one occasion and having
some disciples that were formerly fisherman... well that is clearly
a direct link to the age of Pisces! This kind of "fact" is so
terrible it is truly laughable. They then go on to say that in Luke
22:10 the disciples ask Jesus where the next Passover will be when
he is gone and he talks about a man with a pitcher of water. The
video says "this scripture is by far one of the most revealing of
all the astrological references."
In actual fact, all it does reveal is how far people like this
will go to distort facts to their own advantage. Here is the passage
from the Bible in Luke 22:10-13. Please read it for yourself:
"Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb
had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John,
saying,
"Go and
make preparations for us to eat the Passover."
9 "Where do you want us to prepare for it?" they asked.
10 He replied,
"As you
enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow
him to the house that he enters,
11
and say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the
guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’
12
He will
show you a large upper room, all furnished. Make preparations
there."
13 They left and found things just as Jesus had told
them. So they prepared the Passover.
The videos claim that the disciples were asking Jesus where the
next Passover will be after he is gone. Where is that in the text?
It is simply not true. They were asking about the Passover they were
about to eat as the text above shows. Obviously this doesn't meet
with what the makes of the video want to say so they change it to be
some future event when the age of Aquarius comes in. That is just
plain deception. It isn't even twisting the truth - it is ignoring
the truth and stating something totally different. Next, all Jesus
told them was to look for a man with a jar, or pitcher, of water,
and follow him because they'll be able to use his master house to
prepare the Passover meal. And from that the video says this is an
image of Aquarius pouring out water and symbolizes the age of
Aquarius??? No, it's just a man with some water that they follow and
start making preparations for the Passover which they take together!
And this is what the video states as 'this scripture is by far one
of the most revealing of all the astrological references'!!!
Unbelievable. Please... you're probably an intelligent man. Don't
buy into this rubbish! It is truly terrible and will only confuse
and get past those that don't know the Bible.
WATCH THIS VIDEO!!!
Now, obviously the complete Zeitgeist makes many other claims. I
would ask you, please, watch the following video. It is long at 1
hour and a half but it is a refutation of the Zeitgeist movie (the
part about Christianity anyway). If you truly are somebody that
desires to know the truth then I would ask that you watch this video
and examine the links on this email. Then you will have been
presented with evidence on both sides of the argument and can make
up your own mind.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7572663630528394775
Some general comments about this movie are here:
http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=124&Itemid=107
I would also add that as opposed to the obvious myths and crazy
stories of Horus, Attis, Dionysus etc, there is plenty of evidence
outside of Christian sources for the life of Jesus. Have a look
here:
http://www.garyhabermas.com/books/historicaljesus/historicaljesus.htm#ch9
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.html
So that is what I have found. Obviously I am no expert on these
things and I don't assume to be one. I have only researched
this since you sent me your email. But what I have found so far is
actually quite disturbing in the differences in what the
video presents as truth and what is actual fact when you read the
original stories.
I asked you in my previous email to look into Bible prophecy. You
replied and told me to research into the claims of this video. I
have done that. So I ask in return that you please examine Bible
prophecy. Start with the links on my site that I gave you or check
out other sites which do a better job than I do such as:
http://www.messiahrevealed.org/
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/prophecy_jesus.html
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/prophecy.html
Find a Bible. Read the passages mentioned for yourself. God
expects us, as it says it His word, to 'test all things and hold
onto that which is good'.
All the best.
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